Sunday, October 30, 2011

G11 Blues at Oilers

This is Garry Unger. He was the second bona fide "superstar" for the St. Louis Blues (the first was Red Berenson). Unger had a fine NHL career; although well short of a HOFer, Unger's ability to score goals made him one of the NHL's best players in the Western Division for most of his career.

Unger's career took some time to take off, owing mostly to impatience and shortsightedness. He was sent along by two NHL clubs before finding a home in St. Louis. Unger is another example of what happens when you send away youth too soon: it often bites you in the ass for a decade.




Unger came up through the Leafs system (he's forechecking Boston's Fred Stanfield in this photo, goalie is Cheevers and D Dallas Smith is in front of Cheevers) and was dealt in the famous Frank Mahovlich trade. Toronto gave up the Big M, Peter Stemkowski (a big C),  Unger and the rights to D Carl Brewer and in return Imlach received Normie Ullman, Paul Henderson and some other things. My Dad (and much of English Canada) was digusted by Imlach's dealing of Mahovlich, and I've always suspected a curse was placed on the team because of the Mahovlich chapters. Trading Unger wasn't wise either. As his career rolled out, the skilled center would remind Leafs fans of just how much they gave up that day in 1968.

Detroit was an organization in transition when Unger arrived on the scene. With Gordie Howe's career winding down and other veterans long in the tooth, youngsters like Unger represented the future in Motown. In 69-70, Unger just missed leading the entire league in goals (his 42 trailed Phil Esposito by one) and it looked like the young man from Calgary would have a long career in Detroit.

Detroit was going through a turmoil-filled season (I can't begin to describe it, but someone tried here) when they sent Unger to St. Louis but it was beyond ill-advised. Unger would score over 400 goals in the NHL, most of them wearing the blue note.

When the Oilers entered the NHL, Glen Sather tried to acquire Unger (this would be 1979) but the pricetag was one of his fine young players. Determined not to make the same error Punch Imlach made with Unger, Sather passed on the opportunity for over a year until the price was less dear.
Unger didn't last too long as an Oiler, not many of the veterans survived the speed that arrived in the league with the WHA expansion. Most Oiler fans would remember his as a bit player, a 4th liner and a guy who once took a costly penalty in a very important game.

Unger's rights belonged to Toronto but they sent him away in a franchise altering deal. Detroit was in turmoil at the time of his arrival, so St. Louis enjoyed the heart of Unger's career for being in the right place at the right time.

Edmonton acquired a player at the end of the line, but did not overpay for the privilege.
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This morning, the Oilers have Ales Hemsky skating with the rest of the team. They also have Linus Omark skating with the group that won't play tonight. No big deal, Oilers are on a winning streak and replacing anyone in the lineup would likely come from injury or suspension (hello, Mr. Sutton).

I've used Unger as the example in this cautionary tale, although he is perhaps not a good comparable to Unger. However, the Blues are in town and Unger is a famous Blue from the past.

So far this season, Magnus Paajarvi and Linus Omark have zero points, and Sam Gagner has only one. This is not the time to trade these men and the Oilers should insert Omark in the lineup at their earliest possible opportunity. A team like Boston--badly in need of offensive help and with limited cap room--might come calling for someone like Omark and pay 10 cents on the dollar to get him.

I think this will be a huge test for Steve Tambellini. What to do with an fine young offensive player like Linus Omark. We wait.

139 comments:

  1. What do you do with Omark? You keep him and tell him there will be room made for him either by injury or trade.

    The November schedule will see him in the lineup anyway when Renney's looking for more offense because the kids are facing the Chara's, Seabrook's, and Kronwall's.

    Wait until Hemsky plays a healthy 2-3 weeks and dangle him for currernt and future help on the blue.

    History says Hemsky's $$/GP will be too high for his next contract.

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  2. Its an unwritten rule that NHL coaches do not change the line up after a win.

    Even MacT said as much while he was here.

    After the OT loss to MIN, Renney sat 23 against the Rags and probably looked at VAN, WSH and the ridiculous travel to mile high COL and thought he'd be able to re-insert him at his pleasure.

    Two good wins (Rags.VAN) and two improbable wins (WSH,COL) later and 23 still sits.

    The current streak will end, 23 will get back into the line up, but 83 is getting close too, which leads to a log jam at RW.

    I expect 89 to get moved back to C when 83 gets healthy and 57 to have a seat.

    89 and 83 had 52.9% of the scoring chances when together last year, so the meme that they don't play well together doesn't hold water.

    This team has a lot of RW and a need on D. Something will give, probably before Christmas.

    Would anyone do 23 for Johnny Boychuck?

    Boychuck was recently moved from Chara's right side to Corvo's in favor of Seidenburg.

    Boychuck is an Edmonton boy who shoots RH. He's the kind of player we hope Peckman will turn into.

    As for tonight, I like STL this year.

    The team is full of big strong forwards. Pieterangelo is looking like a Norris candidate for the next 10 years, Shattenkirk is playing well and old men Arnott and Langenbruner (centered by Steen)are doing for STL what 94 and 10 are doing for the Oilers.

    Except Steen is leading STL in points as well.

    I set the over/under on the number of times Stauffer says "getting their show run" at 11.

    Go Oilers!

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  3. WG: Agree completely on not changing the roster. I think guys like Petrell and Lander have earned their position in the everyday lineup.

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  4. Can't see how there is much of a market for an indecisive 5'10" player who can't crack the Oilers line up.

    Good luck getting 10 cents on the dollar for Omark. Can't see why he would be valued that high.

    I'm not an Omark fan and there isn't a point hiding it. I think fans get lost with the rookie status Omark held last year with Taylor Hall and the rest of the young guys, yet Omark is 25 this February and has been NHL eligible for 6 years.

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  5. look at Unger's box scores in the BHL...that can't be right can it? His team would be scoring like 10 goals per game.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=5518

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  6. Omark’s value to the team is on the powerplay when he has time to face the play with the puck. Last year his offensive creativity shone in that role. This year the kids collectively have taken that time away from him.

    With so many players this year playing effectively two ways, Omark’s questionable defensive work ethic has kept him out of the line-up. If he does dress, can he up that part of his game, especially when Hemsky returns and takes second powerplay time away from him?

    On a team that seems to be establishing a new identity, I don’t think the question is whether Omark can be traded for anything of value, but whether he’s a fit. It comes down to the team’s plans for Hemsky going forward.

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  7. Linus Omark isn't that good. Guys like Unger are so rare that it shouldn't make you hesitate to flush Omark.

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  8. Omark’s value to the team is on the powerplay when he has time to face the play with the puck.

    Omark was tied for 4th on the team in pts/60 5v5 last year.

    Mind you, that was a bad team.

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  9. Omark's value to the team is what does Tambo have to package with him to pry Weber out of Nashville at the deadline?

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  10. Yep, Plante recalled. I think they expect Sutton to be suspended for 4 or 5 games (repeat offender).

    I still hope they flip Lander and Belanger. Eager is OK in his own zone, and Pettrell is a shutdown winger. LEt them form a true checking line, and let Lander get some chemistry with Gagner and MPS. I know we are winning, but we are currently winning ugly and the wheels are about to come off. There is no offense 5 on 5, and if you give Gagner and MPS a more creative centre who still has sone defensive awareness, then you at least give us the best shot to have some pressure 5 on 5. Belanger is solid, but has no creativity, and MPS and Gagner need someone with more offensive acumen.

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  11. The fact that the Oilers recalled Plante ahead of Tuebert is interesting.

    Perhaps they just want a 7th D and are trying to not hurt OKC?

    Anyone got TOI for the last few OKC games? (On crackberry, tough to do)

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  12. I'm eating my first tangerine of the season and it is a beaut.

    Omark is a good player (two way too thank you very much SemenkoandTroy) who doesn't shine as brightly as Hall or Eberle or RNH, so therefore he is crap in the eyes of the fanbase. This is the same fanbase that wanted to run Gilbert out of town on a rail and agreed with management that Souray was washed up and of no help to the team, so you'll forgive me if I disregard them entirely. I am cautiously hopeful that Tambellini will make the right deal based on the good work he has done recently(and that hurts me to say out loud). I would like to see Omark in the line up sooner than later and given some latitude by Renney to help them score a little more often.

    On another note, while I freely admit that this team is likely riding percentages (103 PDO has been mentioned) I take exception to some posters coming on merely to try to muckrake about it (DSF, I'm looking at you). There is one thing to make factual arguments for the sake of advancing a discussion, and another for using those same facts simply to stir up the crap. IMHO, this is how discussions become toxic and fruitless, and if that's all you care to do, then leave it outside. I would've posted this on the last thread, but it all happened after I left, so I'm sorry its a bit off topic.

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  13. my first and only oiler's jersey was unger.


    my dad talked him up from his days in st. louis and bought me his jersey when i was 5.

    he had a killer number, though.

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  14. Omark is caught at both an interesting time in his career and the development of the Oilers. Some would say that he should get back sent down, but the organization might be afraid that he will bolt back to europe and never bee seen again, where others counter that he is to good to go back so there is little point, after all he practices harder than most other of the Oilers.

    Last year was a great year for him (as well as PRV), for two reasons. One he came in with all the swagger and balls to make an impression and well he did. Secondly though because of all the injuries he was getting all sorts of yummy ice time. This isn't a matter of finding a player who can play Omarks game so they chemistry. Its a matter of finding the ice time for Omarks game. And it will come.

    RIght now his ice time is being eaten up but the confidant lottery line. Eventually they will hit reality and start struggling. It won't last as the talent is there to overcome it. But the fact is it will happen, and with a timely injury or someone under producing Omark will slot back in, get the juicy ice time a net a few points. Fickle fans will scream he should have been here all along.

    Lets not forget some thing: He is 5'10 and what 180 wet? So he should be get pushed around a lot... yet time in and time out you would here post game comments about how hard he is to push off the puck... or that two players were required to counter him. His defensive game was not as bad as people are pointing out. Yes he did make mistakes (no more then one would expect from a NHL rookie). Yet, when he was on the ice the puck spent a lot of time in the neutral or offensive zone. Its hard to allow goals when the puck is on your stick.

    Right now his trade value is an all time low, and because he is sitting I do not think a GM will come calling for him, nor do I expect him to be included in a package. For what we want, we need the season to go on further and either have players get show cased in shining light, or other GMs to get super desperate that they are willing to do some risky moves. Either way Omark will most likely be here post trade deadline.

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  15. @wg

    neal livingston just did a blog post wrapping up the first few weeks of Barons' hockey and placed Plante on the bottom of he depth chart for D - i believe, giving more favourable reviews to Motion, even.

    his site seems to be over bandwidth right now so i cannot provide the proper link.

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  16. lowetide:

    You have been singing the same tune (re: balance) since forever and now that we have it you keep going on and on about Omark not being in the lineup?

    You keep saying that he's better than some of the players currently in the lineup but he's not competing with those players. He is competing for others for a spot in the top 6.

    10 cents on the dollar is better than nothing like we recieved in exchange Pouliot, Schremp, O'Sullivan ect

    kurii - vintage jersey ordered from a Chinese sports jersey website.

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  17. Neil at C&B recently ranked Plante 8th of 8 among the OKC Dmen.

    This lends credence to the thought that its Plante because he's going to sit up and here and they are trying not to hurt OKC too much after taking Petry.

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  18. Magnus Paajarvi is an enigma. He is fast , has good hands and is big. He looks like a guy with all the tools, but is not producing. Is he 1 point away from looking like a potential superstar, or is he a good trade?

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  19. Jfry,

    Ha! Posted before I saw your post about Neil's rankings.

    Great minds etc.

    My verification word is: skinvan

    I'm assuming its parked down by the river.

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  20. I don't say this often, but I think Traktor is spot on.

    Omark might turn out to be a useful piece to someone, but at this point, where the hell does he fit in, even right now?

    With Hemsky getting closer to a return (and I still hope a contract extension) and Hartikainen knocking at the door of big league employment, when you couple this with the emergence of a guy like Petrell...there's simply no room at the inn for Linus.

    And the exact same thing could be the case with Peckham on the blueline, with Potter showing something, Sutton contributing as a veteran, and Petry on the cusp.

    Someone is going to get left behind, regardless of whether or not they deserve it. It's up to Steve Tambellini to turn the redundancies into value that fills a hole. Omark plus Peckham for Boychuk, for example (assuming the Bruins were interested) would be a hell of a way of doing that.

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  21. My verification word is: skinvan

    I'm assuming its parked down by the river.


    I was thinking this had something to do with the Green Men at Canuck games...

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  22. Here's the deal with Omark in regard to Hemsky. Isn't he perfectly good Hemsky insurance? And Traktor, the Oilers have exactly two lines scoring goals. Two is fine, but you need something from the bottom 6.

    And since the Smyth line is the tough minutes line, I don't see any harm in looking at Gagner, Omark, Paajarvi and others as a third line with offensive ability.

    I don't see how it would harm this organization to sit someone like Eager in an effort to jump start the depth scoring.

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  23. I thought the photo was an abomination of Gretzky's days in St. Lou.

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  24. What would you give up to get 2 first round picks in 2012?

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  25. "Unger hurt his groin last week and he's still playing with it."

    Brought to you by Great Moments in Oilers Game Analyst History.

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  26. It would be a mistake to trade Hartikainen. It would not be a mistake to trade Omark. The problem is getting decent value for him.

    Omark is low man on the "smallish skill forward" totem pole. Nugent-Hopkins, Eberle, Gagner, and Hemsky. Five is too many. Four is probably too many.

    Malcolm: Paajarvi is 20, big, fast, and can already play the game defensively. The offence will come. The worst case scenario for Paajarvi is an elite shutdown winger.

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  27. Hbomb:

    So you would like to see Hemsky stay on with an extension? I love the player but I don't think he's capable of staying healthy anymore. There's going to be some team that is going to gamble on him and offer him a lot more than he's worth.

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  28. With that haircut, you could have said Unger played for the St. Louis Moody Blues!

    I'll be here all season:)

    LT is stretching a bit on the main point of 23 but he is right that he's good insurance for when 83 gets hurt again because we know that will happen. Just today 83 said he'd been having pain for the last three months but now it feels great...even though it's still weak.

    The guy's damaged goods who we can't count on and shouldn't sign unless we get a really good deal; and why would we expect to get that.

    In the meantime I don't know how we can give 23 the TOI he needs in order to be successful. He's not gonna kill penalties and I doubt he can play on a tough min line so he either murders the soft or he gets lost in the mix. If the kids were a bit older and could play the other team's second best line, then 23 could play on our third line.

    Just bad timing for him.

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  29. It is an interesting and scary time because some of these guys should be packaged in trades to clear spots, fill holes and secure value.

    Hope ST gets it right. One thing about players getting prematurely flushed is that signs were there but not recognized.

    What Omark has I think is a known commodity - lots of unique talent, lack of elite speed, perimeter play and not listening enough as to get benched.

    I like Omark and think he is interesting and has value, but he's not going to score enough to justify not doing the things he currently won't. Even Hemsky plays both ways. It's up to Omark.

    If he doesn't get the plot soon what choice do they have? He may better fit a team that can accomodate a niche offensive player and needs that help.

    On a team full of small forwards of which at least three are better, maybe he's not a good fit. In which case pump and dump - get him playing cherry minutes.

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  30. Maybe we should attempt to establish Omark's value and what 10 cents on that value would look like?

    A 6 year 25 yr old pro who can pot 40 points, help the PP and the shootout. Good speed. Undersized, but tough on the puck. Doesn't help out enough in the Dzone.

    Other than the same player type coming back, what would Omark's value be? A 1st? That doesn't seem likely, although to a team with plenty of prospects and usually poor draft position like the Bruins, maybe.

    A good 3rd line forward/role player type? Bottom half defenseman (4-6)? That would be fair price, no?

    What would a poor trade be? A 2nd? That covers his draft spot, but he is an actual NHL player. Or should we just go with any trade that would make Dennis unhappy lol?

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  31. pboy: I'd like to see them find a way to do something. Maybe not a six-year deal, but find a way to get him under contract for 2 or 3 years at a slight-but-respectable raise on cap hit. My thinking remains the same - he's had injury issues, but one would think that's not going to continue forever, and I honestly don't think we can get fair value in return for him in a trade. So we'll see what they do.

    Lowetide: this whole "top-six/bottom-six" differentiation we all commonly make, I think we need to evolve our general thinking. Most teams that win have three good lines. To me, the big gap in ability isn't between the 2nd and 3rd line, it's between the 3rd and 4th lines. This being said, however, Omark is still in tough over the next couple of years, unless they do trade Hemsky.

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  32. Hoping for a Peckham turn around ASAP.

    Still can't believe we're talking long suspension for Sutton from THAT play...i mean i really don't like the guy but that didn't look suspension-worthy.

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  33. I think we're missing the point on Omark and once again assuming all the prospects will develop.

    If we take the bubbling under wingers (Hartikainen, Pitlick, Hamilton) how many of those guys are going to have Omark's offensive ability?

    Seems to me we've taken Dennis' point (the kids are playing the softs) and extended it beyond short term and making it fact in perpetuity.

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  34. My thinking on Hemsky is that he is a similar asset to Marian Hossa - if he's on your top line you're not deep enough, but on a second line he would be a killer.

    Alas, whereas Hossa has been mostly healthy (9 straight seasons of 72+ GP, including 6 in a row of 80-82) that has not been Hemsky's track record. Thus a better comparable might be a couple other fragile eastern Euros - Martin Havlat and Marian Gaborik. Not quite Gaborik's quality, perhaps, but in the ballpark.

    Linus Omark is undeniably skilled but he has a very long way to go to join this particular conversation. (Not that anybody is making that comp, I'm just sayin'.) At this point Oilers wouldn't be getting ten cents on the dollar, they'd get ten cents on the dime. Omark simply hasn't proven much of anything yet.

    (And yet in my head I hear the toll of a distant bell. I think it's from the Church of Satan.)

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  36. Lowetide: this whole "top-six/bottom-six" differentiation we all commonly make, I think we need to evolve our general thinking. Most teams that win have three good lines. To me, the big gap in ability isn't between the 2nd and 3rd line, it's between the 3rd and 4th lines.

    I've been sporadically working on a post about exactly that (for the C&B).

    Good teams have good hockey players on all the lines.

    Who knew?

    They have different skill sets, but they are generally better than their peers (in terms of TOI and skill set)

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  37. is it fair to say that omark would have cemented a position on the team had he come over a year earlier and not gone for the pay day in the K?

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  38. (Goddam fake Twitter accounts ... grumble grumble)

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  39. @Jfry: I've had that exact thought more than once. Omark's timing was the shits last year, when he was one of Four rookie wingers (H.O.P.E.). The year before he would have had clear sailing - well, comp from Robert Nilsson and Patrick O'Sullivan, but not three first-round draft picks. His agent really blew it there.

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  40. The blog dogs can doubt all they want, but renney had better be telling them in the room they can win the division, because they certainly could. Once they believe they are the best, it will become self fulfilling. I hate how the oilogosphere always has to bring the expectation and excitement down, for fear of being overly optimistic. That take it slow attitude won't lead to greatness. Here's hoping that the HC and GM are telling them in the room that they can win the cup. And I agree 100% with LMHF#1, if this run goes any longer, it's time to put the pedal down. Make a trade if you have to and let everyone know including the opposition that we mean to WIN NOW.

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  41. The problem with Hemsky is we're not certain whether we're getting Marion Gaborik or Eric Daze.

    The long term injury reserve does free up Hemsky's cap space when he's on it. However, there is always the opporunity cost of having somewhere between 4-6 million dollars which could be elsewhere floating between the roster and the MASH unit. Of course that does assume our newfound ability to acquire free agent players.

    I don't think any of us can really know whether Ales Hemsky is going to have several years where he responds with healthy productive seasons, or whether he is indeed irreperably injured and the finest surgeons money can buy can't put him back together again.

    I could equally see his current situation continuing indefinately or as Minnesota is rather painfully watching Gaborik suddenly spending the larger parts of seasons in the line up for someone else. We've kind of been put in a scenario where we're damned if we do, damned if we don't and there really isn't much guidance as to which way to go.

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  42. @Woodguy: I'm really liking Oilers' depth at forward this year. Need a little more production from the bottom six, but there are people on those lines with a history of scoring (Gagner, Paajarvi, Belanger all were in the 35-40 point range last year). Not much offence from the fourth line, but they aren't giving up a hell of a lot either.

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  43. LT: that is true enough. maybe by next year the 93 line can play the toughs and then 23 would have easier sledding.

    i guess it goes back to clusters and the thing about the early season success of the two lines is one line's made up of kids who we can count on for years and the other has one guy who's 35 and another who's 33. For how long will those two lines have a path of convergence when it comes to success?

    and it's why I get so frustrated with 83's health and why I worry a little about 91. in a perfect world 91 finds chemistry with either 83 or 83 and there's the genesis for your second line. 10 isn't as old as 94 but both have some miles on them and how long are they gonna be able to do what they are doing now? so, eventually 93's line has to take on the toughs and 91 plus will be the second line.

    in the meantime, maybe that's how 23 manages to stick around but he has to make an impact soon.

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  44. Good teams do not have room for one dimensional players who are a liability defensively. On a bad team players like Nilsson and Shremp have a place because they can put up points and the team is losing anyways so people don't pay too much attention to what they give up. Good teams don't have those players.

    Omark either has to produce so well offensively, whilst playing with lesser teammates and not getting soft opponents and PP time, that it outweighs what he gives up defensively, or he's got to improve his defensive game to the point where he is a better option than Petrell or Eager or Jones. If he can't do that - and he hasn't so far this season - then he doesn't have much value to the Oilers, other than as an short term injury replacement.

    Surely it's a good sign when NHL players can't get into the team because there are better NHL players that they need to beat for a spot and haven't been able to do so.

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  45. hags: I think the blogosphere is very positive about the Oilers. Yesterday I said they wouldn't win the division, not that they are horrible.

    And if by putting the pedal to the metal you mean trading for immediate help at the expense of the future then I cannot agree.

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  46. Re: Paajarvi...

    You don't put him up as trade bait at this point. Yes, he is struggling offensively, but he looks better every game.

    Much of his lack of offense is reflective of his line-mates -- they're not exactly brimming with offense at the moment. Gagner is still getting back into game shape and Belanger is more of a role-player in my mind. Paajarvi needs to play with someone a little fancier with the puck (re: Omark) to generate the foot speed he makes effective rushes with. He needs to shoot more rather than cut to the net so often as well.

    Paajarvi is one of the strongest forwards we have at the moment in terms of checking power and is dominating on the boards. We need that -- even better coming from a young player who will still grow.

    The Oilers are kind of limited in their line-up due to the winning streak and injuries. The 3rd and 4th lines will get a shakeup as Hemsky heals and someone screws up. You can't take Lander, Petrell, or Gagner out of the lineup right now... and Paajarvi is stronger than Omark on the puck.

    Regarding Sutton. I'm of the opinion that he deserves the two minute penalty and a game for the hit based on league pattern. From my perspective, Landeskog should be more aware of his position, but Sutton is moving in a way that he can avoid the head without the extra drive with the forearm. BUT, his comments after the game have caused this meeting and will earn him a longer suspension.

    In a league where head trauma has become a large health issue and they have said repeatedly that they need to remove it from the game, to insinuate that you'd make the play again is just plain unintelligent. He should have said that it was a shame that the rookie's body positioning changed and that contact was made with the head but those things sometimes happen in hockey.

    Instead he more or less says that he'd do it again... as a repeat offender. He put himself in a position where the league has no choice but to make an example out of him -- not for the hit, but for his lack of sensitivity to the whole "hit-to-the-head" ethos pervading the league at the moment.

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  47. Too many of the "trade Omark" people are looking at now, and not 1-2 years from now.

    Will Hemsky, Smyth and/or Horcoff still be here?

    Will the Oilers ice a team with much more reliable defensive players, so a player with Omark's defensive shortcomings are not an issue, especially contributing to the scoresheet on a top-6 line?

    Gotta wait and see. Tambellini's usual in-season inactivity will serve the rebuilding aspects of the team quite well this season.

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  48. or he's got to improve his defensive game to the point where he is a better option than Petrell or Eager or Jones.

    I think 23 is better than both Eager and Jones defensively (or at least similar)

    Eager fills a role the Oilers want him to agitator/protector.

    Jones skates fast.

    Petrell is v.good defensively, way better than the other 3 mentioned.

    Also,

    Omark made US$1MM tax free the year before he can over. Given what his ELC is and the tax rate, he made a good decision that solidified his financial future while only sacrificing 1 year of NHL play. Bird in hand....

    Omark will have a NHL career, just not with the Oilers.

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  49. Bruce,

    Been eons since the Oilers had good depth anywhere.

    Nice to give the coach the weapon of ice time without sacrificing ability too much.

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  50. The absence of Omark is very apparent on the second PP unit.

    People seem to be in a hurry to trade the little depth that we actually have. Omark has proven he can play NHL minutes and put up decent numbers. As someone mentioned the win streak has helped keep him out of the lineup.

    The Defence has been fine so far. I know there's a sense that improvement is needed there. However, as long as they're playing well there should be no rush to trade Omark.

    I like the Boychuck idea. Don't trade him for anything less than than a 2nd pairing defenceman.

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  51. @Wolfie: Agree Omark could help the second PP, especially with Hemsky out obviously, but the fourth line is chock-a-block with role players - Petrell, Lander are key PKers, and Eager is, well, you know.

    I've been focussing on Petrell on the PK quite a bit and am totally impressed. He's like having a third (stay-at-home!) defenceman out there, he's an excellent backwards skater with really good gap control who is solid at preventing zone entry, and a totally committed shot blocker. Only issues he's had is running out of gas on a couple of 5-on-5 shifts where his line got caught in its own zone.

    Any offence out of that guy will be a plus. At this point he's the Finnish Mister Zero.

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  52. Woodguy

    Jones has been playing the toughest minutes possible and killing penalties, and so far he's kept his head above the water.

    I don't think we've seen any evidence that you can send Omark out against the Sedins.

    Jones is a limited player, but he is useful. Eventually he'll be replaced by a better player, but thus far, Omark is not that player.

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  53. Marc,

    Jones is not drowning playing with 10 and 94.

    There is no evidence that 23, 89, or 56 would do worse.

    There is evidence that 23, 89, and 58 have played better NHL hockey than 28 in the past.

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  54. Lowetide said:

    I don't see how it would harm this organization to sit someone like Eager in an effort to jump start the depth scoring (re: Omark).

    I could be wrong LT, but doesn't Omark have 6 more NHL games before he would have to clear waivers to go down to OKC?

    If that's the case, then obviously playing Omark is a bit of contractual hand grenade.

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  55. Ryan: Good point. I also remember reading somewhere that Omark has an out clause for this year (to return to SEL).

    Can anyone confirm? Or am I just making it up? :-)

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  56. @LT

    You are correct.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=316730

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  57. Plante is playing? If the assessment of 8th on the OKC depth chart is accurate, that's a little scary.

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  58. Barker is hurt. I can only assume they wanted Teubert to see more time in the minors before recall and that guys like Lowery and the crazy Russian are miles from ready.

    No disrespect to Plante, but his mobility issues are real and they are spectacular.

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  59. With the 6 D the Oil are icing today this could be the time it all comes tumbling down. Better play at least 2/3 of the game in the St. Loo end.

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  60. Well, no Whitney, Barker, or Sutton. The oilers should be a lot of fun to watch in their own end tonight........

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  61. I took the over tonight - total was 5 - because I thought Oilers would have a little letdown and Kahabby would give up at least 2; a 2-2 tie gets me the push at least.

    And looking at the D now with all of Peckham, Plante and Petry in the lineup? That bet looks solid.

    Lots of pressure on the forward corps tonight - even more than usual - given how watered down the D will be.

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  62. Stellar feed here:

    http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/89280/1/watch-edmonton-oilers-vs-st.louis-blues.html

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  63. Blues are running our show! Oh, and Horcoff scored.

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  64. St. Louis is a team that always looks good but checking their record it's a sputtering bunch. Halak appears to be this generation's Wickenheiser (Doug, not Hayley).

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  65. Man, Hall sure gets rocked on a regular basis.

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  66. Anyone else having problems watching on GameCenter Live?

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  67. Bob, yeah. Working ok now after I restarted my apple tv though. I can only get the blues feed, no oilers.

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  68. Chaos that period, owing a little to the weakened D and then STL showing their usual physical style.

    Oilers have to punish them on the PP, it's more effective than gooning it up.

    Peckham's pass to Hall was a dream. For us and Peckham.

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  69. Didn't think to change the feed. Was watching a bit of Ottawa\Toronto instead. St Louis feed is coming in perfect.

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  70. Hall does that backhand-five hole thing every time...it is infuriating.

    Backhand-forehand-roof all day long for a guy who shoots that well.

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  71. Bob, how do you "change the feed"? I am getting pretty choppy signal from gamecenter....Sportsnet feed here...

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  72. Should be a button at the bottom of the gamecenter screen "change feed", if you`re not in full screen mode.

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  73. Sweet Jesus ST Louis is big and they just grind the bleep out of you. Not sure if anybody noticed but we have too many small forwards

    Smytty!!!

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  74. the Hair Line pots one.

    Horcoff should consider growing a mullet to match.

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  75. Once they believe they are the best, it will become self fulfilling.

    Missed connection: you, TSN comments section, using many exclamation marks.

    Me, not there. Hence "missed".

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  76. Starting to see more pressure from the 3rd and 4th line. Good to see.

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  77. it was fun rooting for penner with all the advanced stats and mahovlich talk, but it's nice to see smitty out there getting it done.

    there's something to be said for passion.

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  78. how frequently are forwards converted to dmen? i can't remember very many stories.

    a big part of me thinks i'd rather MPS be pitkanen than dvorak. i just don't see any natural offense sense in the kid. even on the pp goal, he was nowhere near being in a shooting lane or position.

    two shifts earlier, watching skate it from behind our net to the other end, was a thing of beauty.

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  79. eager must have read lowetide's comments today ;)

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  80. DSF was right when he said that this was the result of unsustainable percentages, and that we should enjoy it while it lasts. Right now I'm emphasizing the second part.

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  81. OMG Petrell has bad hands

    Smytty with 15' slapper ay 65 mph

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  82. There is absolutely nothing wrong if Paajarvi turns out to be the second coming of Bob Gainey, especially since the Oilers already have Taylor Hall.

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  83. Hope Hall finds ways to convert his chances close in. He probably could have had 28-30 goals pre-injury last year had he converted many of those point blank chances.

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  84. I like petrell, he is what a 4th line player should be.

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  85. Just caught up on the PVR.

    Those kids move the puck accurately at a high rate of speed. They know where the others are at all times too.

    Peckman made a great pass to spring Hall. Hope that continues.

    5 and 77 are working very well together. Breaking up a lot of stuff at the blue line too.

    94 with 2 goals from a total of 5 feet. So nice to see again.

    Petry looks like a NHL Dman. Comes up and will play 20 min tonight. Beauty.

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  86. @godot

    I'd go more with Carbonneau than Gainey, but MPS really does seem to be somewhere between a D and an F. I'm just not sure he leans far enough to either side.

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  87. I could watch RNH backcheck all night. The kid just sneaks up on people. Must be light on his skates, makes no noise as he chasing.

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  88. Petry going mobile there, he's done that a few times tonight.

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  89. 91 is getting it back.

    Puck has been on his stick alot this period.

    Holy Hall - Incredible balance and power.

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  90. Boy, Pietrangelo has made some nice defensive plays tonight. He's broken up some dangerous rushes, and made it look pretty simple.

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  91. Last few games have been smoke and mirrors, but this one looks legit. Maybe Blues tired from being on the road, but Oilers back end looking like they're moving the puck really well. Not so much scrambling in their own end. What a difference Potter makes. And agreed on 91 getting his mojo back.

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  92. 2 Points:
    Petry isn't coming out of the lineup - his stick has been great and his skating is a joy to watch.

    Why hasn't 44 been extended yet? He has a Pronger like stick and even skates like him.

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  93. Good solid win. No smoke and mirrors there.

    All 4 lines had it going at times, very nice to see.

    Saw Jones good tonight. Was in position in the Dzone at the right times and made a number of good small plays, including good passes out of the zone.

    Petry should stay up.

    The kids are already pretty good hockey players.

    Lander is doing very well for a rookie too. Talent, drive and smarts.

    This road trip will be very telling. Hope they can go .500 on it.

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  94. Why hasn't 44 been extended yet? He has a Pronger like stick and even skates like him.

    I have heard that the Oilers have an offer on the table,but that CP wont sign it because his wife is not happy here.

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  95. I heard that Tommy Salo's wife knocked up Corey Potter's television news reporter, and Mike Comrie's setting fire to his furniture.

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  96. Oil in first in the West with Dallas with 16 pts. each after 11 GP. Better goal diff. to the Oil at +7. Enjoy.

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  97. Sorry, Steve, I give that round to bookie...not as over the top obvious.

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  98. Sorry, Steve, I give that round to bookie...not as over the top obvious.

    As Neil Young allegedly once said when a producer told him he was flat, "It's my sound, man!"

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  99. 11 games in, and the Oilers have been trailing for probably less than 5 minutes the entire season?

    I'd say the score effects have hurt their Corsi numbers.

    Regardless, only a fool would expect this team to compete for the division/conf lead.

    However, the impending regression may not exclude chasing a playoff spot should they keep their special teams percentages up.

    Either way, this team is not last years Oilers. Their shutdown line looks legit. Their soft line are murderers. Renney is willing to run witha hot goalie, Renney is line matching, and special teams aren't an abomination...

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  100. Petry's best game as an Oiler and when Potter is on the ice I'm completely relaxed. What the hell is going on here?

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  101. This is fun. Go get a defenceman, that was the only weak point tonight.

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  102. One good sign (well another good sign) is that Gagner and Paajarvi sre hitting line drives all over the park. Some of those are going to land soon.

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  103. Didn't watch the whole game, but it looked like the Oilers had 5 or 6 grade a chances that Halak spoiled.

    4 line had alot of O-zone time in the 3rd as well. Liked Eager's wheels and drive to the net - guy has decent hands

    One of the biggest differences in the Oilers this year getting out of their own zone is the D-men are taking lots of looks over the shoulders before they get to the puck and the wingers are lower so the opposing D isn't on top of them. The harder backpressure by the forwards is also not giving the opposition time for good dump ins. All of this is making the 2nd pass a quick short pass to break the zone. It's Pee Wee hockey, but simple and effective. Kudos to Renney and Smith.

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  104. Anyone have the game PVR'ed?

    Desperately seeking a picture or video of Gene Principe in his hot dog suit before it's lost once again into legend and myth.

    http://bit.ly/rMi1oi

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  105. All of this is making the 2nd pass a quick short pass to break the zone.

    Having the forwards back to help the break out sure helps the D.

    3 short passes out of the zone works far more often than 1 pass.

    Only Hall's line is doing the jail break when they get possession in the zone, but they can get away with it most of the time.

    Team looks well coached.

    What the hell happened last year?

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  106. @woodguy

    The need for another 1st overall pick.

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  107. WG - It's the Detroit model: Zetterberg and Datsyuk will come right back to the corner with the D so the D can just chip it by the first forechecker for the C to pick up. A quick pass to the strong side winger or sometimes the C will carry it right out. Meanwhile the far side winger or even the far side D is streaking accross the middle in support.

    It takes a great skater and stamina for the C to skate the whole length of the ice in full flight 2 or 3 times a shift. Horc can do it and it looks like RNH can as well. He's Datsyuk - Hitchcock said so.

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  108. @striatic: Hair Line, that's perfect. Or it would be if Horcoff had Ryan O'Marra's barber.

    @Woodguy: Good call on Jones. I manned up after he sucked the night of our little conversation, and you have done the same tonight. And we were both right.

    This was one of his best ever games for just being solid, in all three zones. Won a shit ton of battles and moved the puck intelligently, not always a strength. +2/-0 in scoring chances. Only problem was that lame interference penalty.

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  109. Bruce,

    Gotta call em as I see um.

    I'm an Oiler fan.

    I want to like every player.

    Its the player that makes me not like them.

    I liked Jones tonight a bunch.

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  110. Everyone can stop panicking, crisis averted. The one, the only, the man, the legend. Prince of Puns!!!

    http://bit.ly/vQZyuc

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  111. Wow, another gem for 35. We know he is motivated this year, so if he can stay this focused and healthy/sober all year, there is no reason we can't win the division. The team defense and teams have leaped not stepped forward. And we have a line that will someday produce an Art Ross. Time to tell Hordi, Eager, Sutts, Teddy and the rest of the team to bring all hell to the Canucks and Avs for the rest of the year. The time is coming soon where we will start being very physically challenged during the div games. If the kids can keep their heads above water and our muscle can calm the seas in those times, the sky is the limit. I see no reason to respect the Canucks too much, look where we (and many other examples) landed the year after a finals run.
    As far as pedal down trades, nobody wants to see a selloff of Omark or Hemsky right now for less than 100 cents but the further this thing goes, and guys it is going, you have to start thinking of yourself as a playoff team and you may have to give up youth and potential for some playoff help.
    Somethin goin on in Oil Country.

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  112. I'd also like to say I am a firm believer that 93 needs to start tucking the left side of his jersey into his pants! It would be awesome!

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  113. One can only dream about what a healthy Hemsky would make this lineup.
    Most amazing thing for me is seeing the maturity displayed by the likes of the Landers and Potters. This is such a big step up talent and depth wise from the past two years.

    This is fun. Is it wrong for me to "want" to believe?

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  114. Great game from Lander as well - started showing some dominant positioning during battles and seemed to make the right play all night. Eager and Petrell seemed to stymie his offense, but they more than carried their load for a 4th line tonight.

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  115. @hags9k: I assume that's a reference to Gretzky, but he tucked the right side in, and for a very specific reason. When he was real small (6-7) he played with 10-year-olds and always had sweaters that were w-a-a-y too big for him. He would catch the knob of his stick in his sweater at times, typically the right side of his sweater cuz he's a LH shot and held the top of his stick with his right hand. So Walter suggested he tuck in the sweater on that side to get it out of the way.

    Or so the legend has it.

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  116. Couple of points...

    No doing backflips till we see what they look like on the road. Sure it's a step forward, actually having a matchups that will work, but I wanna see what this team looks like for a stretch of games where they don't get last call, before I go all fanboy.

    Eager reminds me of a young Ethan Moreau. If he ever learns to forecheck like Ethan, and keep the stupid penalties toa minimum, he could be a serious force out there.

    The Count Floyd line has some serious confidence right now. They are tough for any line to handle when they're playing well.

    Gagner is looking much better. Halak lucked out on that one break.

    Paajarvi makes some strange choices when rushing the zone.

    Petrell might be mostly useless offensively, but he does everything else so well. And he's a tank. Players just bounce off him.

    Smyth and Horc? What can I say? Excellent games. Same with Gilbert and Smid. Petry and Pecks played well too and Potter is still a surprise.

    But Smyth and Horc better make sure they outscore the soft parade on the road while the Kids are getting shook down for their lunch money by the other teams tuff opp.

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  117. Trey Smith Blog


    Exceptional entry! I found it very interesting. I'll check back later to see if more posts are added.

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  119. @ LT - Mike is a Bot. Don't click the link.

    re: 44.

    Why the hell did they give him 44!? The number is cursed!

    There are several ways I can see this playing out. Some of which are obviously not going to happen, but I can't tell which ones are which...

    1 - He breaks the curse, signs a reasonable deal at a fair price, and becomes a great 1-2 D-man and Wins some cups (The BOTB Sequel).

    2 - Follows in the footsteps of CFP and SS (that's Souray, not you Steve) and has ONE great season and $#*!$ the bed somehow next year. (the Curse of 44 III: Potter's Potential)

    3 - They don't sign him soon enough and he goes on to play well for a sub-par expansion team. (Hejda's Hjout)

    4 - The Oilers sign him to a 1 year 1.5M contract in March after Mr. Dithers decides that he needs more time to evalute Potter. (The Oilers in a Rational World - A look at a well mananaged sports team from a parallel universe).

    Hypotehtical Question:
    Horcoff and Smyth sure look a lot like they did in 2006-2007. If Hemsky comes back and they reunite the line, say Hemsky is as healthy as he was in 2007 (64 gp?!).

    What do you want to see happen with the bottom 6 forward Spots? Why?

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  120. Heading into this season I could see 4 and 14 playing well - I was a little worried about how 91 would score his goals - and I thought 10-94 would work well together and for awhile I thought that 83 might be healthy enough to help them. We knew what we were getting from 20 and we had heard tell of 37 being a premium PKer. 89 was a guy whom a lot wouldn't be expected from so he could hum along and help out.

    So, when people were blue-skying standings predictions I said I could see a possibility where the forwards were good and where DD was good enough as well.

    But outside of 93 being good right out of the box, it's the D and 5 and 44 in particular who have impressed me and changed the way i view the club's 2012 fortunes.

    5 just seems like the light's come on as he's committed to the shot-block as part of what he'll do every game and he's making a nice chaos-free first pass.

    44 gets results no matter who he plays with and I keep waiting for a few games where he Isn't calm and he doesn't use his size to gain an advantage but he just keeps rolling along. He's the key because if he's real then he rounds out the top four with 6-5-77 and 25's back there on the third pairings and 13-24-58 are in the mix and now we can take our team deciding who to trade for another dman. And maybe we don't really need to if 44 is close to being this good.

    So, that's what's doing it for me. As good as Khabby has been playing, the Oilers have gotten much better at limiting chances as evidenced by DD posting similar numbers in his starts as well. The PK has finally gone back to using six forwards and they've added three big pieces to the unit: 20-37-94 and perhaps 57 makes that four.

    But Potter is the key.

    If he's real then I think so might be the Oilers.

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  121. With Smid playing well and Eberle continuing to emerge, the Pronger trade looks a little better every day.

    It would look a lot better if they hadn't gone (essentially) Lupul - Pitkanen - Cole - O'Sullivan - Nothing, but it's no longer a complete disaster.

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  122. Plante re-assigned to OKC.

    Barker must feel good to go for Thurs. in LA.

    My guess is Theo sits.

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  123. how will theo sit? Odds are Sutton will still be suspended, which will only leave them with 6D if Barker is good to go

    Gilbert-Smid
    Potter-Petry
    Peckham-Barker

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  124. wunderbar,

    Forgot about Sutton getting the pipe.

    Maybe Tuebert gets a look?

    Maybe they don't do anything. They ran with 6 D earlier (very dumb to do, what if someone gets injured in practice, or gets the flu?)

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  125. I fully agree with Sutton getting suspended, but did Landeskog even miss a shift afterward?

    I wonder if the Avs got a call from the league about not taking any steps to check him out. Are they serious about player safety or aren't they?

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  126. I would agree that Sutton does deserve a suspension, but the fact that Landeskog didn't go to the "quiet room" after such a hit is kind of bogus. Goes against what the league wants to do, no?

    I get that they don't want to send someone to the quiet room for every hit, but I think that for a hit to the head, there's no way someone should be back out on the next shift.

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  127. Maybe Tuebert gets a look?

    Maybe they don't do anything. They ran with 6 D earlier (very dumb to do, what if someone gets injured in practice, or gets the flu?)


    Matheson has a piece up: They wanted to recall Tuebert but he had some logistical problems so they went with Plante. He expects Tuebert to get the call on the trip.

    BTW Phil Cornet on OKL has 7 goals, 1 assist. Looks good until you see he only has had 16 shots.

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  128. @ Dennis

    Another d man is needed, probably 2. Ryan Whitney can't be counted on to stay healthy makes Hemsky look like an Iron man.

    Gilbert - Good
    Smid - Good
    Potter - Good early returns
    Whitney - Question mark
    Sutton - Slow
    Barker - Gamble
    Petry - Should be playing third pairing minutes
    Peckham - Not Good

    So at this point the Oilers have 3 possibly 4 reliable D man, not good enough if this team wants to contend in the future.

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  129. Heard a rumour Teubert had a passport issue. A "comeadia" of errors.

    Worked out OK, Plante got a game & played pretty well, got a point and the win.

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